The Iron Table
The Iron Table
What to Do When Your Normal Isn't Normal Anymore
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Change can feel daunting, leaving us on shaky ground and questioning what we once considered normal. In the latest episode of our podcast, we gather around the Iron Table to explore the nuances of navigating life's ups and downs together. From physical challenges like back pain to emotional struggles at work, we dive into the complexities of modern life while maintaining our humor and camaraderie.
Our candid discussion emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and mental health. We acknowledge the pressures men face in addressing their feelings and how these moments of discomfort can lead to significant growth. Opening up about our experiences not only fosters a supportive community but also encourages others to share their struggles as well.
Throughout our conversation, we reflect on the fears related to job security, navigating tumultuous work environments, and embracing the discomfort that comes with change. Asking questions—especially of God—becomes a vital tool in our efforts to reclaim our sense of agency amidst uncertainty.
By the end, we drive the point home: while change is inevitable, leaning on those around us and sharing our journeys can turn trials into testimonies of resilience. Tune in for an episode filled with laughter, hope, and crucial takeaways about community, support, and faith in the midst of life’s challenges. We welcome you to join the conversation and reflect on how to keep moving forward, no matter where life leads you.
Welcome to the Iron Table, where iron sharpens iron. So should men sharpen men. I'm your host, bryant, and I'm joined by my boys, keith Danny and Steve. Host Bryant, and I'm joined by my boys, keith Danny and Steve, we are bringing you truth with a side of humor, loaded with accountability and thought. We now bring you to our program already in progress. It's the iron table, where iron sharpens iron, so it should men sharpen men. It has been a minute since we've been able to the four of us have been able to get together. So much has changed within the past. What is it like 40 days? So we're going to try to remember how we used to start this. Brian, keith Danny and Steve, we'll let the fellas just kind of start off like what's been going on in the past 40 days for them. All right, somebody got something going on. I'm like I don't like a lot of wind.
Speaker 3Is that me, with my headset?
Speaker 2No, is that that Apple product?
Speaker 3I put in a non-Apple headset. Let me take it out. What about now? Better?
Speaker 2Nah, I'm going to mute you and see if it's you?
Speaker 4yeah, I think it's me. Why y'all trying to blame me?
Speaker 2oh no, it's not you, keith. I muted danny. That's well, we'll figure this out. Look, he had to take himself on the train. Well, while danny is taking care of some technical difficulties, which we expect. We are Apple haters, I know I am. I am an Apple hater, so any problems, I'm just going to blame Apple right now. So, keith, steve, what's been going on since the last time we spoke, which I want to say was mid-January? We have skipped. That's a problem.
Speaker 1I'll tell you what's been going on. Is this home ownership? That's what's been going on.
Speaker 4I don't know.
Speaker 1Rich dad, poor dad or poor dad, rich dad, whatever his name is. He said it's a liability. I see why a home is a liability. This is, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2It's the long game, man, it's the long game. Yeah, okay All right, okay, yeah. This is dumb. We got at least three on this end.
Speaker 1This is dumb, this is Stu Long all over again, but I will thank God for being able to bless us with what it is that we have. I will say that let me stop. I will say I am blessed, so we'll keep it like that. Other than that, everything has moved, everything has been cold and I can't take these Michigan winners no more. Hopefully my last year. I gotta convince the other to move somewhere warmer.
Speaker 2But I can't do this no more. We ain't got to live like this.
Speaker 1This is nuts. This just don't make sense. You know, when you're talking 10 below and all this stuff. This is dumb. You ain't got to live like this. All this snow, people ice fishing on the lakes I ain't got man like this in all this snow, people ice fishing on the lakes. Man, this is dumb.
Speaker 1This is dumb You're originally from Michigan, right, Exactly, I've been asking everybody, all my friends, like do you see yourself really staying in Michigan for the rest of your life? Like we don't got to do this. You know the sun everywhere else. Right, we ain't got to do this. You know the sun everywhere else. We ain't got to do this.
Speaker 4So yeah, all right, those winners are brutal Unless you enjoy that, and if you enjoy it, oh man, it's the best, but otherwise it broke me.
Speaker 2I can't do it no more let's see you're prepared now. So when we have uh maryland winters with our eight inches or less of snow, you'd be like whatever no, it's laughable.
Speaker 4it's laughable what they shut down here for, but it's but you know. But I but I appreciate it because people drive terrible in the rain, snow, snow when it's dry, so you know they shut it down. Now I will say that I did learn how to drive in the snow up there and on ice and all of that fun stuff, so I can have an appreciation for it. But to live there in the winter is the odor I get. Well, I have to tell you, the odor we get is hard.
Speaker 3How many times did you almost die?
Speaker 4That cold touching right beneath.
Speaker 3How many times did you almost die learning how to drive in the snow and ice?
Speaker 2Too many, exactly.
Speaker 1Exactly.
Speaker 4I learned to slow down.
Speaker 1Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2Or how to take a corner and when you spinning on the highway so you're saying, with that all wheel drive, you ain't try to test it?
Speaker 1oh, that don't mean nothing. All wheel drive don't mean nothing. If your, if your tires bold, guess what's happening. I saw a Subaru behind me. I called it out. I said guess what he about to hit it. He about to bite the dust, and guess what he bit. I saw a Subaru behind me. I called it out. I said guess what he about to hit it. He about to bite the dust, and guess what he bit the dust right behind us. I just dropped it.
Speaker 4I said ditch. Yeah, that is ditch.
Speaker 3Ditch.
Speaker 1I thought he said something else. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 4I said it no, people end up in the ditch. People end up in the ditch like when they blow by you. Even with even with the best I've seen, people with the best tires end up in the ditch. Thank you, yeah, you make one wrong move, uncalculated, trying to do something or not. You don't even have to do that. Sometimes it's just you just going too fast on the elements and can't control the car. You're going in the ditch.
Speaker 2You got to respect the elements. I actually engaged my four-wheel drive this past winter. That's how you do it.
Speaker 1Or you move to Florida.
Speaker 2Oh, so the hurricanes.
Speaker 4Don't care, I'm good, I'm going to get his own crazy Lizards, crocodiles, alligators, canes I don't care, I'm good.
Speaker 2I'm good, just come where. Everything is mild and it's okay.
Speaker 3Ain't nothing mild about Washington DC, bro. Ain't nothing mild about it.
Speaker 2We will get to that, trust me. We will get to that Right now. We just need to tell the truth. What's been going on? All right, danny, you within the past. I mean, we haven't talked since mid-january, so we we done skipped black history month. We here in march.
Speaker 3I am black history month, I'll say for me, really, I had this thing with my back. I never I know that some of y'all have had, but I was. I thought. I thought that I was a grown man and then I was walking. I don't know what happened. I was walking, I felt a little something and then all of a sudden I couldn't move and it was like what in the world is this? It's almost like Job, it's like I heard about it, but now I think it and that thing, and so I'm able to move a lot better now, but it's still just like lingering. So it's just like we're talking about respecting the elements. Respecting father time and also taking better care of myself is one of those things that I'm working on doing.
Speaker 2Okay, don't lift any heavy boxes.
Speaker 4He ain't got a choice.
Speaker 2Do you know the exact move that you made?
Speaker 3No, I was just walking. I was in the car. Here's what I remember. I remember I was in the car. I turned around and just kind of make sure like there was nothing there. I don't really trust the camera, I'm still old school. I got to turn around, I got to see it with my own two eyes. I turned around and then it felt a little funny and I was like what was that? And then I didn't realize that something was really wrong until I was walking. Shortly thereafter I got out the car and it was just what in the world. And it was just what in the world.
Speaker 3And it was this excruciating Just I don't know. I might have to talk to somebody who do know, but I got a little something done. It was supposed to make it better, but it was. I still feel the lingering effects, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2Okay, open for recovery. Just recovery Slow, long recovery. Yeah, that's it. So you're choosing not to take the over-the-counter? Like to try to know.
Speaker 3I don't really mess with that stuff unless I'm about to die. Die, I just like Back pain makes you feel like it.
Speaker 4It'll make you feel like you got patches.
Speaker 3I may do one of those, the patches or something, but oh, so you're still feeling it Doing narcotics. I don't really mess with narcotics like that, unless I had something surgical that's going on. I don't know, that's just me, that's just me. We're on the up and up, but it is definitely a new experience, one that I don't want to experience ever again and one that I have respect for people who, if anybody said they got back bro.
Speaker 4People with chronic back pain they out there.
Speaker 3You can't do jack.
Speaker 4Squat Back Bend down and tie your shoe. Like I said, when it was my turn, I didn't realize how I bent down and tied my shoe, how bad, I couldn't do anything. I'm completely, I'm putting on these slides and I'm like why are you putting on dress clothes and slides? Like, where are your shoes? They in the bag. I can't put. I can't bend down to put them on. But it sounds like a nerve might be getting pinched in there. Yeah, so I'm.
Speaker 2It sounds like it's pretty good help.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's what I thought too.
Speaker 2You need to check your family history too. Yeah.
Speaker 3I don't know. I'm grateful I can walk. Well, I'll say this I'm very grateful for my mobility. Like when you talk about put stuff in perspective, you don't realize how valuable something like just turning over in bed is, tying your shoe, being able to wash your, like just what.
Speaker 1I remember I blew my back out. Oh wait, hold on. That didn't sound right. I remember, when I wait, my back went out. Oh boy, let me start that over. Boy, let me just say it was hard I am not editing out.
Speaker 2Steve finally gave us the clip of the year.
Speaker 1Wait a minute, hold on, let me clear that up. Editing out Steve finally gave us the clip of the year. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, hold on, let me clear that up. Anyways, it was hard to be on the toilet and do what you need to do thoroughly. I hope this gets moved.
Speaker 4That is true, that too, oh God, I just thought about that. That's painful news, hey look man I ain't going to let that down.
Speaker 1I'm not a dog gunner you know what I mean.
Speaker 4You can't game us on for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1I can't, boy, See. That's why you can't do three things at once.
Speaker 2No, all right, bishop. What has been going on with you?
Speaker 4We don't need Steve's stories right now. Being black in America, that's what I'm doing. I'm out here being my black self, my happy self, my authentic self.
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Speaker 2Oh, man, you done brought Danny to pain. He cannot even sit up straight.
Speaker 4You're going to hurt your back from laughing. Stop, you're going to hurt yourself.
Speaker 2I'm going to hurt my own back, you're going to hurt your back from laughing.
Speaker 4Stop, you're going to hurt yourself. You're going to hurt yourself. But no man, what's been happening, man? Like I said, realizing as we go through Black History Month like Danny said, I'm Black history all year, all my life. This ain't a month thing once a year, this is every day, all day, every year, all year. So being, yeah, just being more present at home with kids and work, trying to build different things, getting back into stuff that I enjoy the photography, the music. I got some stuff. Hopefully, like by my birthday I'm hoping to, actually that's in June actually have something out, not something, some things out there, it's just again. It's what it's always been. It's not even I ain't trying to go to the Stellas, I ain't trying to win no Grammys, I just want to. This just need to get done. Now that happened, praise to God. You know, just give me a band. We go travel, go on tour, that's great. Go take some pictures somewhere, but stepping away from the machine and actually trying to enjoy the life that God has given, because we're watching everybody drop.
Speaker 2Yeah, Angie Stone was yesterday.
Speaker 4Yesterday, right, as we keep watching all these people around us that we know and don't know, just kind of no longer be here. My God, god didn't put us on this planet to work 40. This ain't a God. This ain't a God. Desire 40 hours a week? You know this overkill, overdrive, overtime. Is 40 hours really overkill? No, but it's 40 plus.
Speaker 4I'm saying but even yeah, depending on what you do, could you really do you want to lift heavy machinery, I mean some jobs? Yes, what you do, do you want to lift heavy machinery Some jobs? Yes, I believe 40 hours a week is too much for some jobs.
Speaker 1My surgeon. I don't want my surgeon working 40 hours a week. You better if you got a 30-year mortgage.
Speaker 4But my point is if surgeons were tired, because most average people who work 40 hours a week are exhausted- Exactly. Because of the type of work they do and the demand that's put on them. Now there are some jobs that 40 hours a week isn't bad, but why do we have to work 40 hours a week?
Speaker 3Henry Ford construct.
Speaker 4It is Right. Right, you constructed that. That's a Henry Ford project. God didn't do that. There is a time to work, and you can work more than 40 hours a week, but then there's a time to rest. Wherever you see God say work, he also says rest. There's seasons where we plant and where we harvest and where we rest. So I'm learning that and I'm appreciating God for that and trying to break away from the. If I'm going to work, I'm going to focus on things that's going to bear fruit and not just find, not just. We've been shaped and molded to think money is all the fruit that we need, and that's not true. So there, listen, at this age and stage that, this age, that peace, that peace. If I learned nothing this week peace, how much I value it, I love it. So, yeah, so, yeah, man, I'm going. I think God lets us experience things to remind us of how important life is, and peace and rest, all of that, because it's all wrapped into one. So that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2Cool. Well, it has been an interesting 40 days and I brought y'all here for a selfish reason, because I am I've been struggling with my mental health, yeah, so I'm just gonna to put this up here. What do you do when your norm isn't normal anymore? Worker come March 10th for 23 years, started out as a secretary, fresh out of college, had to work my way.
Speaker 2I'm in public health, my background is in HR and marketing and since the change in administration, it has been what usually government work is consistent. It is in working in public health, work for an agency that works with federally qualified health centers. So there's appreciated on both sides of the aisle. And since the change in administration, there has been every day it has been something when you think that, okay, maybe today it won't because of some tragic event. Still that tragic event has somehow, uh, somehow been weaponized against, uh, the, the federal government. And I understand, you know, as a federal government worker and this is probably the most I will ever talk about um, government in my job, because I usually I am a neutral person. I work for the American people. I'm a public servant, whatever administration is in charge or or whoever, whichever side one. I'm an independent, you know I I enjoy my job, I love what I do. I love the impact that it has. I try to. I love your disclaimer.
Speaker 4I said I love your disclaimer. Yes, we used to have to give that Steve Sure. Do, I'm sorry? No, no.
Speaker 2It has been day one. I think today, no, and so it has been like day one. I think today is day 40. It has been. At first it was like, okay, you know, we'll just. Change is inevitable. You just roll with it. You know, be like water, be fluid, fill in where you can. But lately it has been where you see mass firing, you see stuff that we all understand there could be some waste, some inappropriate spending, but not at the level where you're getting rid of entire workforces, trying to agency all for just because, instead of reviewing, let's just cut. I think USAID, when that got the funding for that. I'm like you're now affecting poor people. That got when the funding for that. I'm like you're, you're now affecting poor people. Um, you know, those who are disenfranchised, um, you're attacking the veterans trying to cut va benefits. So now you're attacking the veterans. You're attacking post security. So that's the old. Um, medicare med, that's the young and old, and so we're, we are going after those.
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Speaker 2And even in the Bible, when I think about you know, the Sodom and Gomorrah, it was about, not, it was how they, it wasn't the sexual immorality. It's always there, always rampant, but it was how you're treating those who are less fortunate, right and you got destruction like just wiped out. They were just wiped out and now we've got. It has been stressful. I had to take days off for my mental health, because it was just, it wasn't the fear of wondering if I have a job, because I mean I know work, you know as long as I mean, I know you know work out. You know, as long as I'm able to push a broom, you know I can, you know, find I will humble myself and do what's necessary. But when I hear you know people who they didn't ask for this, you know, even though they may have voted, they didn't know this was going to happen. So it has been.
Speaker 2What used to be the most stable environment is now so unstable that it's like what do you hold on to? And so you know I'm like, what do you do when your normal isn't the norm Isn't normal? I used to not. This is one thing I never had to worry about. You know, being a federal government worker, I go to work, I do my job, I, you know, see the impact, you know, and it wasn't about having to come into the office. I started working five days a week in the buildings. It wasn't, you know, like, oh, I got to give up my working from home.
Speaker 2It's almost like if you remember the Avengers Ultron movie where the twins were talking about the day when the bomb dropped and they could see it said start. She said it was like for three days we were wondering when it was going to explode, almost to the point where you were begging for it to happen to get you out of your misery. How, how are you like for someone who has not had to deal with that? How do you deal with it? Because that was one thing and it's now seeming like you got that what used to be stable is no longer stable. And then everything else.
Speaker 2Now it's affecting every other aspect of your life. Where your patience is low. You're reacting instead of being intentional, and I know that that is the goal of some people and I had to tell myself I can't give them that benefit. But it still sucks. And I know that there are a lot of people that are working different jobs. I know about the we talked about a mutual friend.
Speaker 2He's with the ford um mass layoff they had, and how you know to be blessed and fortunate to be covered. So far, I am covered and I'm I'm blessed and I'm thankful, but it still sucks. So what can we tell those who are listening in order to get through, to laugh and keep from crying, to not come in with a chip, because I'm pretty sure once we get back in the building that's two weeks for me, full time it's going to be very quiet. You don't know who's an agent of something. You don't know who to trust. You don't know that you can say, you can be transparent. Everything that was normal 41 days ago, seemingly, is days ago, seemingly. So this may not be one of those funny conversations. This is real.
Speaker 1To be honest with you, man, I honestly think that you know, sometimes pivoting, you know, focusing our energy on other things definitely helps in times of like high stress. So when I say focusing, I mean focusing on like having an understanding of preparing for X, y, z, if it happens.
Speaker 1Because here's the thing, here's my, here's my philosophy. I don't think god makes us uncomfortable because, like you said, you were very hey, everything has been smooth for all these years. You for the most part comfortable. God doesn't put us in a situation of being uncomfortable for no reason, you know. I think it's time that you know you start pivoting, or people start pivoting, to directing their energy, to focusing on, like, just just preparing for if something else happens. And when I say preparing I mean like, hey, doing other things, bro, and be honest with you, man, I mean, and I'll just say for you, just my my time spent knowing you, brian, you know what I mean. You're working for the government, doesn't? I don't want to say it doesn't define you, but there's other things that I see you doing that far exceeds what it is that you do with the government. So that has not made you feel uncomfortable for no reason, you know. You know so I, honestly, you know, I've been there.
Speaker 1Times where you know, where it doesn't, you know, really have any effect on a lot of people. But in a point to where, hey, you know what, I'm used to this or I'm used to that, and then when things start to turn, it's like, ah, but this ain't what I'm used to. But understand, you know the old, the old saying of when God closed one door, hey, you can't walk through one door that he has open for you if this other door is still open. You got to close this one door and keep it moving. You know, and if we still sometimes try to stay in that one particular situation, we don't get what God has in store for us, what's meant for us, and I'll be honest with you, I'm a true testimony to that.
Speaker 1Because if I still stayed in and crawled and tried to just keep what it is that I wanted and oh, I want to stay in this executive position and I want to do this, and I want to do that with this company and this that I wouldn't be where I'm at right now, with peace, freedom and and you know and and not feeling uncomfortable. You know. So again, man you a lot of times in, and I, like I said for you specifically right, I definitely don't see your time with the government as something that that truly defines who you are as a person, nor should it, but I think that this is something that god is giving you a way to focus now your energy on other things that I think that you will be extremely good and talented at. Just my two cents.
Speaker 2I appreciate it.
Speaker 3Yeah, I'll chime in and say that there is this fear is a natural reaction. What I thought of in terms of a relatable instance is when, um, jesus was sleeping in the boat and the storm comes and the water is filling the boat and the boat is beginning to sink, like it's not like raindrops keep falling on my head. No, the boat is beginning to sink, like it's sinking. Jesus is sleeping, and there's a couple of times in in the word where we see this unpleasant from our viewpoint, view of a God who can change the situation but allow certain things that we don't like. Lazarus is another one. It's like, hey, all you had to do was show up, show up, and my brother, like, I've seen what you do for all these other people, but like my brother, what about my brother? What is your Lazarus Cause?
Speaker 3We all have something that we we want God to fix. We want God to change it. He doesn't always work the way that we want him to, but when you look deeper within that story, what you see is him saying these words to the disciples it's good for us that we weren't there, because it was for God's glory. God wanted to do something bigger, god wanted to do something better and everything that's a disruption in your life. I'm just crazy enough to believe. When he says all things are working together, he didn't mean some things, he didn't mean most things. He meant what he said. And all things are working together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose. And that doesn't mean that it's always going to be good, but it's all working for good and we'll have an opportunity, looking back hindsight, to be like yo, I'm so glad that happened, because I would have never learned this, I would have never done that, and so I'll just encourage you in that, in the hallway, if you will, between.
Speaker 3This boat is sinking. What am I going to do to grab hold of the faith that? Hey, he likes the song, says I don't believe he brought you this far. He, like the song, says I don't believe he brought you this far. Yeah, to leave you and to allow the boat to sink. Just because it looks like the boat is sinking doesn't mean it'll sink. Doesn't mean you're going to die. Doesn't mean you're going to die. It just feels that way and that feeling is real. I think that it's healthy to acknowledge it like you're doing now. Feeling is real. I think that it's healthy to acknowledge it, like you're doing now, but just don't build a concrete structure in the middle of that ocean.
Speaker 2um, yeah, I mean because it was like in my mind I'm like, okay, you know that, as the anxiety was beginning to build, because it was like I, you know, as a man, you know we are supposed to provide protect, you know, do all things. So I was joking with Keith. I was like man, macy was going, you know, my wife's thinking about doing a job change and I might have to tell her like, hey, how good is your insurance? Just in case, because I've been carrying our insurance for a while, you know, might want to rethink that move because we're going to need some health care. We're going to need some health care.
Speaker 2Like I said, it was just for two days. I just had to separate myself from the work. I had some other stuff going on, but I was just like, for one of the first times I can think of, it was like it didn't feel hopeless, but I felt I was tired, I wasn't sleeping, my health was where, I was sleeping a lot. My health was beginning to fail, like just, I even wrote something on social media you know talking about, while I'm usually one of those people that you know everyone's like man, you just relax, nothing really phases you. You know you're like a beacon of light for so many people, but I was like I don't even have enough.
Speaker 2I just have enough light for myself, right now, and barely that yeah, and I was like I'm still going to move forward, but I can't be everything for everyone. I gotta I gotta be enough for me, because that's all I have and it other shoe to drop, waiting for that bomb to go off. And so what do we do? Again, when you know and I, and I appreciate you guys, steve, for saying that, you, that you, in our limited time, that you see some stuff that I can do, and we wanted to talk offline Cause, I mean, I've been a federal government worker All I know is to, you know, get to that 65 and my age probably be 75., 80. Yeah, it's going to be a while.
Speaker 2And you know, danny, just the spiritual aspect to have that faith you know, keith has made me laugh and I know you got something to chime in on that but we got to give people tangible resources or something in order, or because there's going to be, especially in this area, in the DMV area, a lot of people will not fully understand how, you know, it's not just the work that we do, it's the money that we are spending. If certain programs shut down, then the states are going to have to pick that up and then the states are going to have to raise taxes and then you know, it's going to just further increase the earning gap, further spread out poverty. It's going to have a cascading effect and you've got people that probably you know, don't. I mean, we're all human, we all have our opinions. We all have and, like I said, I'm neutral, whatever but we're still people and you're attacking a group that, no matter who says what, how they feel, we still do the job that benefits everyone, regardless of how they voted, what their position is, and yet still you're coming after this subset.
Speaker 2So I mean we need to start giving out tangible resources, sending people someplace. You know it can't just be fall on your knees and pray. That ain't the answer, but isn't a part of the answer, but it can't be the only answer. I think we all say that go talk to someone professional. If you don't have the ability or the time or the resources, what else can you do? But before we get into that, bishop, have you got your hoodie on, which means you about to drop some knowledge?
Speaker 4That made my heat broke at my house. No, you said a lot, you said a lot, but how do you deal with change? Because that's how I paraphrase the question in my head, because I help people with this every day.
Speaker 4That's the question a lot of people have Anxiety and depression a lot of times come because of change. That's why they even come to see me, and when we get to the root of what it is that they're dealing with, it's not. It's not that they're crazy, it's not that they lost their minds. They have to go through change. Death, grief and loss. That's it. I gotta deal with you not being here anymore. I got to deal with this person being gone. Grief and loss isn't just death.
Speaker 4It's loss of mobility in my back, I can't do what I used to do. Grief and loss is my car just died and I need to get to work and I don't have the money to fix it.
Speaker 1Grief and loss is loss of a marriage.
Speaker 4It's loss of a marriage. We were together all this time and now it's over, it's over now. So grief and loss is going through that transition of I'm about to lose my job or possibility and I don't know what I'm going to do next. God, and not having the answer to that question will drive people crazy. That's where the crazy comes in, because I don't know. Having the answer to that question will drive people crazy. That's where the crazy comes in because I don't know.
Speaker 4I'm like well, I often tell people to write down the blessings that God has done, and I may be jumping ahead of myself, because sometimes the crazy thing is we've been in this position before. This isn't new. We're in this position actually every day. But when you actually document how many times God has brought you through and you can go back and look at it, I like to go back and look at it because it reminds me I don't know what you're going to do, god, but you obviously want to do something because you've done it. And I'm looking at not just in the Bible, I'm looking at Keith Jones life, the book, the book of Keith Jones. In his life you have brought him time after time after time. So when I'm in this period, right now, I am concerned because, like you said, the weight of the world feels like it's on your shoulders.
Speaker 2But if I really trust, you God, I'm going to go in this lion's den and I'm going to be out in the morning.
Speaker 4I don't know what's going to happen. Those are actual lions. Those are actual lions. Those are actual lions, so I'm going to go in this lion's den but I'm going to be out in the morning. I don't know what he's going to do. I don't know how I'm going to get through this.
Speaker 2Do you think Daniel really thought about that, that he had that conversation like you know what? Because the lions.
Speaker 4He probably felt like you know what? This is it?
Speaker 2This is it those lions ate whatever went in that pit.
Speaker 4Yeah, so my prayer, okay, I'll say he may have felt this way. I don't again. I don't know what's going to happen, because I never tell clients that this is going to definitely happen, because I don't know what God's going to do.
Speaker 4But I will tell them that there are some things that have happened before and maybe because I've watched it happen while I was in Michigan with the auto companies, we just went through it. It's like history repeating itself. I'll say this because I lived in both areas. What the auto company is to Michigan, the government is to this area.
Speaker 4Meaning you graduate high school and go straight to one of these industries. You work there for the next 20, 30 years. Back then you would have a pension. You'd be set for life. You're good. Same thing with the government. You get out A lot of people in this area. I realize they didn't go to college because they could just get a good government job and just stay in it, and so times are changing.
Speaker 4They're taking that away. Does that mean that you will never work again? Absolutely not. It just means you have to change. You may not even have to change your skill set. We don't know what doors are going to open up or that we will have to create, because that's what a lot of it boils down to there we go, yeah because a lot of times we we have to work.
Speaker 4God will show us what to do and we will have to create a lane for us to work at, even when slavery ended. It's crazy because because I'm laughing because even when slavery ended, they still needed our services. How do you think these people became so wealthy, I still need you to put shoes on my horse. I still need you to come help me tend to this plantation.
Speaker 1There's still going to be a need.
Speaker 4There's still going to be a need. It's just finding the niches between the cracks on how to fill these needs. You're not going to have again. A lot of the cushion for some people is going to be gone. They may not make as much as they made working for the government, but you're not going to die. You might have to get rid of a few. You might have to cut back on a few things. Can't take four trips a year. You might cut it down to one. That's okay. You're not going to die.
Speaker 4You might not take a trip at all this coming year. It's all right, but you prepare, you prepare. You're going to get through this and it's about helping each other. Because we don't do it enough, I will say the previous generations, we got through this together. You bring the beans, I'm going to bring the rice. I got this out, we're going to figure it out, but we don't have to die because of this. It's going to be changes until some of this stops. We got to be there for each other.
Speaker 3I was just going to add that I think one of the most important things, Brian, to be real, not to be cliche, is what you're doing right here, right now.
Speaker 3That's the most important thing to me is not keeping it bottled up inside, because emotional constipation, let me tell you that, is the mother of all mental breakdowns and everything else. You can't keep it locked up on the inside of you and everything else you can't keep it locked up on the inside of you. Most men especially, we don't know, we haven't practiced this skill set of sharing fear. We are all back up.
Speaker 2All back up I was afraid and it's the one thing, because it wasn't just this, it was that my father's sick and then having to deal with an aging parent and caring and know I've got siblings that have lost their parent, and I'm like, ok, you know, there's people who would, who would kill to be able to talk to their parent, even if their parents and so you're wrestling with that, then having to set boundaries and then having it.
Speaker 2I mean, it was just, it was just like back to back to back and I'm and it's not, it's like my Job moment, but not Job Cause. It was just like everything is just coming back to back to back to back to back. Make it stop. This was the one thing that I never had to worry about. Stock. This was the one thing that I never had to worry about. I worry about if I did my job right, but not if my job was going to be there the next day.
Speaker 3That's real.
Speaker 2It was like being somebody that people come to for, again just even killed. It was like somebody that people come to for or again, just, you know, even killed. It was like man you'd be great during a catastrophic event. Cause nothing seems to phase you, this stuff it's. It has been draining Emotionally, mentally, physically draining the past 40 days and you're just begging it to stop. And you're right. A lot of guys don't have this outlet and this is one of the reasons why I created it, and this is why today this episode is not as funny as you know, except for Steve's thing earlier in the beginning.
Speaker 3Thanks for reminding us, Brian. Thanks, you know, except for Steve's thing earlier in the beginning. Thanks for reminding us, Brian.
Speaker 2Thanks you guys. I'm still me. I took my two days of rest to reset. I think he's frozen too With me.
Speaker 3Yeah, we can't see you, Steve, but we can hear you.
Speaker 1You can't see me at all.
Speaker 2Nah, bro, you stuck to the side like one of them. Glamour shots.
Speaker 1I can see myself. I can see myself.
Speaker 2I look in the mirror. I needed this and I needed to have a transparent moment, because it has just been like I said it was weighing down um, and I appreciate you guys I appreciate just the, the, the truth, um, to kind of, you know reset, put it back in the focus.
Speaker 2Yeah, I understand change is inevitable and and we got to be prepared as best as we can. But one of the things we got to do is acknowledge it, acknowledge the real feelings. Find somebody you know. If you can't find someone professional, find people that you trust, that you know will, at least for the first five minutes, let God speak through them. After that you roll the dice, you see what happens, but it's what do you remember?
Speaker 4I remember losing a job and I was mad about it. I don't know. We mean the job parted ways and the first guy I talked to was a janitor and that's he's's. He's sweet, that's all that happened. It's funny how I'm mad Again. I'm worried about not having this job anymore and the money and the like. I'm worried about it. But it wasn't, like you said, the first five minutes.
Speaker 4This person was able to put so much into perspective because of what he has been through himself. And you know, sometimes we look down on people who don't have the title and have the, I guess, the prestige. But this man has been through life and being in his job, I got to learn more about this man. He was choosing to work this job because it met his needs. He was like I could be up doing more, but I like what I do. I come in, I clean the school building and I do this and I do that and I go home I have peace. I say that to say that during this transition, you're going to get through this man, no matter what they do.
Speaker 4To me it would be harder going back into the office after I've been out. As you know, steve and I we like all three of us. All the other three of us. We like our flexibility, we like our. You know, Danny, you get on the road in a minute. Mexico.
Speaker 2So you know when it comes.
Speaker 4I think for me the hardest part would probably be going back into office and doing the politics and the unnecessary wonder, like you said, wonder who watching me and who they want me to watch and who you got to fire this week. I could dress nice from the waist up, but I got on hooping shorts. I'll be wearing pajama pants to work.
Speaker 2People who work from home dress everyone. I just want that might be his story.
Speaker 4No no.
Speaker 1You only knew, if you only knew.
Speaker 4If you only knew Business up top, party on the bottom.
Speaker 1Some people have gotten in trouble as soon as something happens and they stand up and they forget that they have no under rules on. And you see all of that uh-uh, that's true, I ain't do that? No, I ain't did it either.
Speaker 4I just might have on some sweatpants and a shirt and top. It's my new uniform. But yeah, you're buying clothes, making sure you have transportation and that's the scary part. People are preparing to go back, not knowing that this is going to be sustainable.
Speaker 2There's not enough government space. There's not enough government space. There's not enough roadway.
Speaker 4The roads are trash. Rush hour is trash here. It's trash. There ain't no more room for nobody else on the road. No, my blood pressure about to go through the roof Just on that. I know rush hour has always been bad.
Speaker 2It's never been a rush, though it's been slow.
Speaker 4You just sit, you just park in certain areas. You asking more people to get on the roads. I have clients who are military personnel. They said it's not enough parking on the base. We got 400 spots on the base but we got between 1,200 and 2,000 people coming to the base.
Speaker 2I was going to say y'all should carpool. Carpool is not the answer.
Speaker 3It's not the answer.
Speaker 2We don't live in the same neighborhood anymore.
Speaker 4You spent five years setting up a system where people could have mobility. We need to figure out how to work with it. They're trying to get even in our field. They're trying to get a lot of us to come back into the office. A lot of us Shouldn't have let us off the plantation. You had to catch us now.
Speaker 1Eyes free.
Speaker 4Eyes will die before I go back. I don't. I did 12 years of slave.
Speaker 1I ain't going back eyes will die before I go back.
Speaker 4I did 12 years of slavery.
Speaker 1I ain't going back. It puts in perspective of certain things. As far as you know, just again, like I said, I always tell people hey, in certain situations, what is God not only trying to tell you about yourself, but about the situation in of itself? We got to start looking at what we really place our faith in. Do we have more faith in God, or do we have more faith in what? The security of our, of our job you know what I mean or, or those who are in power that hold the security to our job? Do we have more faith in that? Or do we even have more faith in ourselves to be able to do things ourselves and provide for ourselves?
Speaker 1So, when I say that this is now a time of being able to, um, prepare, yeah, take, you know, whatever it is that you need to do, put that energy, put that focus, put that sometimes anger into preparing to.
Speaker 1Hey, you know what If things go left I got this over here but what you're going to realize, and be honest with you things may not go left and you've prepared all these things to do it and you may still just say, hey, you know what I'm going over here? I'm going over here because I now have way more faith in myself and my abilities of what I have to do and more faith in God to still hold me down and what it is that he wants me to do, instead of placing faith in how can I say this system. Because at a certain point in time, when you start seeing the system for what it is, you understand at any moment, even if this person was not in office at any moment, they could let you go. At any moment they can just say hey, we don't need you, we're all at will employees. They can just let us go, union or not.
Speaker 2In the government it wasn't at will. It took an act of Congress and now saying that it doesn't?
Speaker 4Exactly, but that's the point. That's why people chose the jobs that they chose, especially with the government. Once you were in, you're locked in and in your minds it would take the hand of God to get me out of this. Now we're seeing how loose this thing really is. If it wasn't an act of God to get me out of this, now we're seeing how loose this thing really is. If it wasn't an act of God, it was people who think they're gods, but it wasn't an act of God. Exactly this thing loosey-goosey over here.
Speaker 2So I want to ask this and it might sound funny, so, as my, as my friends, as you know, these guys have been walking with me for three, five lifetime years If I was to start an OnlyFans account for my?
Speaker 1family.
Speaker 2I'd call it 10 toes down. Would y'all still come on here on Sundays? No, no, absolutely not. Wow, absolutely not. I mean.
Speaker 1so you're fair weather, fair weather, friends yes, in that regards absolutely I would be asking to borrow a dollar because you'd be look man and you would be having a conversation with god like look man. I tried this the right way and I look at this and I'm making quadruple money than what I was making before. What's going on? You will be confused.
Speaker 2I wouldn't do it. But I mean, I appreciate y'all saying you know to have the conversation of just being flexible and just thinking. You know it's one thing to say it when, I'll be honest, when everything was pretty sure, stable, you know the waves weren't filling the boat. But now that it it is and it doesn't mean the boat is sinking I'll just be able to to pivot, think on the immediate circumstance to the end and maybe having that and having that faith and then again having a community to rely upon, not just financially or physically, but just the emotional side. As men we got to talk. If we're not talking, then we are in turmoil.
Speaker 4I can't remember which disciple it was, but I appreciate the fact that he did go to Jesus and at least say cares thou not that we perish. Do you not see what's happening, do you? Not care, that's a conversation we feel We've been taught we can't have that conversation with God, because God, do you see what's going on? And sometimes even in that you get an answer, because they got an answer, he's still up there.
Speaker 4Oh, my bad. And he, oh, wow, like again he. My point is, he addressed it. They got a chance to see, because all of this is for the glory of God, I don't care what we say, what we do. Well, that's for me, at the end of this, the glory for the glory of God. So I'm going to do this to show y'all, for the glory of God, I got control of it. I know the world look like we about to drown, we about to die out here.
Speaker 4But for the glory of God, peace be still, but going to God and at least asking that question what now, god? Even it's not blasphemous, it's not rude, it's not. It doesn't mean you lack faith, it just means I need help seeing what, how this is going. Or I want to. I just, I just want to know. I just help, help me, see you through this, because that's a prayer that we don't pray enough. Go to God.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I don't see the light right now. That's real. That's a place of vulnerability. I believe God meets us. It's right there, in the middle of the 23rd Psalm, yea. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, it was there at the darkest moment he looks over and he's like whoa, you're here. Huh, interesting. I'm here, you're here, hi man. Interesting.
Speaker 2I'm feeling the way because you're here with me, because I grew up thinking you don't question God, and that may be true. You can ask him a question.
Speaker 4Like I said, don't question God, but ask him questions.
Speaker 2And that's two different things. You don't question God, just go through it and he's there with you and he'll be there at the end and nobody talks about all the mental and emotion and all that stuff you're going through. Why are you in it?
Speaker 4The other side of that is but ask God questions. There's a clause there Don't question God, but ask God questions. There's a clause there Don't question God, but ask God questions, because how do we get understanding?
Speaker 1Exactly.
Speaker 4In person to say I'm here. What do you want to know? What can I teach you? I want to show you everything you need to know. And so whenever they ask the question, they got answers.
Speaker 3Yeah, even Thomas was like, yeah, I'm not going to until I put my finger there where's the?
Speaker 2hands let me touch you but it was just like.
Speaker 3Alright, thomas, he verbalized it, though he didn't hold it inside. He wasn't faking the funk, he wasn't. It was just like. Yo I'm not, but I can't until I put my finger there and I think that it's not a part of you.
Speaker 1To not question God is to act like we know everything. You know what I mean. My thing is the important part is ask God questions, but when he answers, you take it for what he says. You can ask. God all the questions in the world, but when he answers, you take it for what he said. Don't be like oh no, that's not right. No, god said what he said. You ask him a question and I'll take it at face value.
Speaker 3You can ask God?
Speaker 1questions.
Speaker 3And almost always he's going to answer something in regards to what's in the house. You got something Like the widow. Oh, I have nothing Except this. What's your except Like? You got something Like the widow? Oh, I have nothing Except this. What's your except? Like? You got?
Speaker 1something.
Speaker 3There's something in the house Whenever he allows the brook to dry up, it's because he's getting ready to mobilize you to a different place, for a different season or a different kind of assignment, and so, like you, can rest assured that he's going to take care of his people. But when we pray for him to guide our steps, we've got to be willing to move our feet and lead the road when it does drive, and be willing to take the leap of faith, sometimes stepping out of the boat.
Speaker 1That's scary.
Speaker 3It's scary because we might think he's going to be there to grab you. Might think, but he gonna be there to grab you, he's gonna be able to provide he's. He's brought you this far and he didn't bring you. The best way I can put it is in the three pages that was emailed in the last seven days. Y'all know it's cool in the furnace man it's cool about that.
Speaker 2We it was more that when I saw those three pages I was like we said a lot more than that. They're talking about a play.
Speaker 4We used to do in high school, Steve.
Speaker 3A mixture of puppets and live action, even if he doesn't, though, brian, even if he doesn't, that's, if he doesn't.
Speaker 2That's the kind of, that's the kind of, that's the kind of like even if you don't save me, I still trust you because I've told people before, if you follow God's direction, he is the only entity that can handle every consequence that comes with following his direction. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1But you know, what's even more scarier, though, is what's more scary is because God got a sense of humor sometimes and he likes to teach lessons. You can you, you can. You can beg, scratch, crawl and just defy what God wants in your life. He'll give it to you just to prove a point. He will give it to you, whether it be a job, whether it be a relationship, whether it be material things. If you don't need it and you are forcing this, he'll give it to you just to teach you a lesson like this wasn't for you. Ah, now you see. So you know, just definitely, at this point in time, it's really just like listening again, like I said, asking yourself what is God trying to teach me about myself, and what is God trying to teach me about this situation that I'm in?
Speaker 2I mean, I feel better so yeah, I got what I need again I I said this is a selfish, bryant moment.
Speaker 2This is probably the most transparent I'll ever be about my job. Uh, this I know how to work the land and it goes out. Um, I'm hoping it inspires others to just acknowledge that they're afraid, the fear and once you acknowledge it and embrace it, not live in. It is, it was. It was definitely a very, very dark, you know, valley. I'm thankful I have friends, people that make me laugh, people that you know, allow me to cry, allow just to be present in the emotion to go forward. So, of course, you know I never like ending things on that type of note. If there was, let's see, see how can I ask this? If you are stranded on an island, one thing, one person, one thing, one person, whatever in and I'll say this you already got food, you already got shelter, you already got heat or shade. What is it that you would want to have with you?
Speaker 3I'm going to go ahead and say my guitar yeah.
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Speaker 3Because, we can do some things. Tom Hanks had Wilson. I got my, because there's an infinite amount of creativity that can come. David, when he was out there with the Lion and the Bears, he had an opportunity to write some yay though I walk through the valley type and it encouraged people through so many seasons of life. And so when you go through, last thing I'll say is this Like the Hollywood people, we see their lives. If they didn't have no heartbreak, we wouldn't have no hits. They had to go through some craziness. Somebody did. That's me. I'd like that creative part of me. If I'm by myself, I can always make some musical reminders that can outlast the moment and encourage me and others in it.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2I was probably going to say toilet paper. I got to go to the bathroom Get you some leaves. Some leaves, no, I would say for me leaves, some leaves when you. Nah, I would say for me, I'd take it down a hole nothing in them.
Speaker 1Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4Some toilet paper. That would be again if you got the nice soft Three o'clock I started, oh you know what? Because you might get sick of using them leads and you just want some Zoff y'all ain't being real.
Speaker 1Y'all need to be be real, be real. Y'all ain't being real if I'm gonna be real.
Speaker 2I would want a paper and pen just be able to write down my thoughts as I make things.
Speaker 1Hey, I thought you said a person too. Did you say a person? You said any one thing, right?
Speaker 2Any one thing.
Speaker 3You said thing, if it's a thing, then it's a thing. No, I said, it could be a thing person. I said it could be whatever you want to and what is already taken care of is your, then the three of y'all better have real good, predictable answers, if that's the thing. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2We can't even hear Steve, so that's why the Lord is helping.
Speaker 3Let me help y'all out.
Speaker 2Wait a minute. Are you on mute, Steve? Somehow you're not on mute, but you're on mute.
Speaker 4That's funny and hilarious.
Speaker 2I'm going to put you on mute and take you off and see what happens.
Speaker 4I was waiting for it. I was, like you told, the paper. Are you sure?
Speaker 2nah, nah, we still can't hear you come on come back in. Steve got the right answer and the world will never hear it.
Speaker 4You gonna wake up.
Speaker 2I mean, can I get the pen to come with the paper?
Speaker 4No, you're supposed to. If you say a person and you ain't say, you about to have no toilet paper in your house when she watch this.
Speaker 2You right, my lovely wife. You're right, my lovely wife is good. It took me three minutes to realize that my mother was trying to give me the right answer I need a lovely wife.
Speaker 3That's called stress.
Speaker 4That's just called stress. It's all this pressure, it's anxiety, it's stress. It was weighing on you for a moment.
Speaker 3Compromise mental compromise, all of that.
Speaker 2Because it would not be stranded. I would be saved by her love. That sounds like a song. I would be saved by her love.
Speaker 4You can write that on the island Saved by her love.
Speaker 2I don't want anyone to come rescue me from your love oh gosh okay so y'all hear me now yeah. So, steve, while you're gone, our brothers corrected me and realized that I did not need paper and pencil, but what I needed love of my good woman exactly and I know you were woman to hold me and I know you were trying to tell me, but I don't want to be in that organization by myself.
Speaker 1This will be another Garden of Eden if it ain't with your woman. Come on now.
Speaker 2And we know it's not like we at them now we don't even know what a woman is. We know what a woman is now.
Speaker 1You know. So come on. Yeah, I can't be on that island by myself without my girl. Man, Point blank, Point blank. We can make beautiful music together.
Speaker 2All kinds of music.
Speaker 1There we go. Ain't got to worry about nobody talking about y'all making being too noisy. Nope, All kinds of music. There we go. Ain't got to worry about nobody talking about y'all making it too noisy.
Speaker 2Nope, all right, deacon. My fault, bishop, I don't want to demote you.
Speaker 4Of course, the wife. Man, I got to take the wife, I'm on an island and we on there together Keep each other entertained and occupied, occupied and entertained.
Speaker 2Okay, I see you got one guitar and three watches Someone.
Speaker 4Let me get it. Well, danny, let me go back. You know, if it was a thing then like I was thinking, do I want a guitar or do I want a knife sharp enough? Because I was like I would make some instruments, I would start with the guitar, I would start about making some drums. Chopping down some trees, hollow them out, make some drums.
Speaker 2Who going to play all this?
Speaker 4I'm going to be on this island. For how long I'll play it all? I'll be at home doing it now.
Speaker 2Just playing it, that Lost track.
Speaker 4Right, the Lost Island track yes. But yeah, I would. It's not good for man to be alone, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, so kids drive you crazy, but what if god made it your ex, though?
Speaker 1oh my god, oh my god. Then this, then this is hell. This is hell, then this isn't heaven. This is nothing else. This is, this is the underworld. At this point, where'd they go?
Speaker 2that's. That's their way of uh, I couldn't do this. Where'd they go? That's their way of making sure I understand.
Speaker 4You started talking about Hades yeah.
Speaker 1Hades, it wouldn't last. I off myself, that's it. Oh you. Here too, I take my chances with the sharks in the ocean. I didn't have a volcano, god, why have you forsaken me? What did I do? Y'all have learned?
Speaker 4Oh, you just, man you changed that whole scenario up for me One I'm grateful to be alive and happy enough, and then the other one is just like you said. What do you want me to learn from this God?
Speaker 1Bro, I literally see myself shaking this woman right now on the island, like why can't you just stop? I just see my do you know? Look what you did, brian. You just turned the Garden of Eden into Hades Because I'm imagining myself. Just why can't you stop? Just why can't you stop? I don't understand.
Speaker 2I don't understand. You took me to the second place.
Speaker 4Trauma, traumatized, traumatized. The question was traumatized.
Speaker 1Jesus Christ. Oh my God, I had to ask.
Speaker 2But question was traumatizing Jesus Christ. Oh my God, I had to ask, but all right, fellas. We got to do this, closing your parting word, your last thing. We're going to do better, everyone. We're going to have a consistent schedule, but it has been interesting, which is why it's taken us a while to get together. Parting words, parting shots, just go.
Speaker 1Regardless of whatever you're going through, always be thankful for what it is that you have. Know that God got you. God has given you people on this earth, or sometimes things on this earth to get you through those times too as well. So understand that you definitely everybody is blessed, you know. You just have to make sure that in these times that we look at what is what God is blessing us with.
Speaker 3I'll say don't be afraid to take the fig leaves off when you're going through stuff you um. Natural tendency for man is off oftentimes to cover it up and to pretend like you're okay, um. But I applaud you for setting the example in verbalizing the thing. Half Half the battle is verbalized. The problem that's named is one step closer to being a problem that's solved, and I appreciate you for modeling what vulnerability looks like, masculine vulnerability. Like men, we get scared too Sometimes. Being in a space where you can verbalize that and not feel like a little wuss, that's one of the best things that you could ever have, because we all feel it, but it's not always that we have the safe space to say it.
Speaker 4Change is inevitable. It's never easy, often scary, but inevitable nonetheless. But if we trust God to be the one who leads, as long as it is by the wine I forget the title, that's what I was trying to think of Does it lead me in our follow? No, but in any case it's one of my favorite wine and songs back in the day, but it's sort of a prayer If you lead me, make my pathway clear. I need your direction to make the right selection. Lead me and I'll follow where you lead.
Speaker 4That's a little piece of it that just came to mind. But, as we saw with the devil and Jesus, he's going to try to throw changes in our life. He's going to try to change the script. He's going to try to change the narrative. But if we trust God because even Jesus himself found himself in the garden praying for faith, praying to get through this moment, and again he praying to get through this moment, again he had to get through this moment there are certain situations we're going to have to get through. We're going to have to pray for strength. That's where it comes from, we're taught to. I know a lot of people tell us look within ourselves. We have to sync up with God first. This is for all of us as we're going through trials, temptation and just just changes, life changes.
Speaker 2Praying for that strength because it's not a human strength that gets us through this. Ok, you actually had me thinking of the whinings. Don't leave me. And I got to ask God, you know, just just don't leave. So, if anything, we walk away from this. Everyone know that it's OK to ask God questions. It is OK to ask him questions. Don't think that you can't, don't think that he won't answer and, as we said, just be prepared, once he gives you that answer, to move forward with the response. That's the iron table and we will catch you again next time. Alright peace. And we will catch you again next time. All right Peace, thank you.
